Lift options & Tires sizes, Look here first
All the info that you need is
All the info that you need is in above comments and pictures so go back and look at what has been put up on here mainly on the last 2 or 3 pages. It;s not that hard to do. A couple of spacers and changing the springs over and getting a wheel alignment. done (I did my own alignment). For me it was easy because I have been working on cars and modifying them for a few years now.
I will try and take some pics but i am extremely flatout at the moment doing other stuff.
Make spacers & install.
The strut mounting "ears" (where they bolt to the knuckle) are further apart on the XTrail struts than they are on the iO, so two spacers need to be made & fitted to fill the gap - it might also be a good idea to weld these spacers to the strut after aligning the vehicle.
Ok I still haven't had time
Ok I still haven't had time to take pics but the last 2 comments are correct, Buy x-trail rear struts ( I used 2005mod) and put the iO's springs and top mounting pan on. You will also need to use some sort of rubber hose on the bottom coil of the spring to take up the difference between the way the spring sits on the bottom pan ( I used some heater hose ).
And yes Fordem as we talked about in earlier posts you need to make up 4 x spacers for where they bolt to the hub assembly (2 either side) to take up the gap. The x-trail are 30mm and the iO"s are 22.5mm so I made spacers that were I think 110mm long, 25mm wide and about 3.5mm thick with 12mm holes 70mm apart from centre of hoes.
Once I got my camber right I welded the spacers to the bottom of the x-trail struts and allows for a slight adjustment once welded.
As I have already said it has given me lift and an extra 50mm droop (or downward travel) and able to go way bigger in tyre size if I want.
I know it sounds like alot of mucking around but it's not and I get the same lift without using the spacer that go on top of the iO"s struts like some people have used and get the extra downward travel when in the bush.
Thanks
Ok, thank for you the details. I will try to get a quote for the X-Trail shocks, first to find them and then hopefuly they will not be more expensive than buying new OEM parts and welding the pan higher. :)
Once done, I will post pictures and step by step instructions on how I did mine.
Guys, I am having
Guys, I am having difficulties in finding the corect part number for the replacement Nissan X-Trail rear suspension. So far I found many variants:
- SACHS 313 633
- SACHS SFE32/22X163A
- SACHS SFE32/22X209A
- MONROE D0019
- Magnum Technology AG1089MT right
- Magnum Technology AG1090MT left
OEM codes:
NISSAN553028H304
NISSAN553028H326
NISSAN553028H600
Does any of these parts work for the Pinin?
nissan strut
Guys, I am having difficulties in finding the corect part number for the replacement Nissan X-Trail rear suspension. So far I found many variants:
- SACHS 313 633
- SACHS SFE32/22X163A
- SACHS SFE32/22X209A
- MONROE D0019
- Magnum Technology AG1089MT right
- Magnum Technology AG1090MT left
OEM codes:
NISSAN553028H304
NISSAN553028H326
NISSAN553028H600
Does any of these parts work for the Pinin?
To my knowledge only KF65 have done this mod...I am not sure if other can help out....
Happy io
AFAIK only one person has attempted this ...
As far as I know, only one person has attempted to fit XTrail struts to a Pajero iO - he has reported a 50 mm lift, and claims that the spring seat is 35 mm higher which is a bit of an anomaly, as it is the position of the spring seat this is responsible for the increase in ride height - a 35 mm change in the spring seat position is unlikely to result in a 50 mm change in the ride height. - in fact, high school trigonometry suggests that the change in ride height will be marginally less that the change in the position of the spring seat.
This is also for the front end only - you will still have to find a way to lift the rear.
I suggest you recognize that you are venturing into uncharted territory, read the thread, pay attention to the comments, and understand that you will need to figure out how to deal with any/all issues that may arise from the modification. The XTrail struts reportedly have an additional 50 mm droop (40 mm if you're looking at the diagram), so that means at full droop your CV axles will be close to their limits, and this increases the risk of destroying them.
Hi Guys, it has been a
Hi Guys, it has been a while.
I know i am the only stupid person on here to try the 2005 X-trail rear struts on the front of a 99 iO but after a few runs out at Ripley up here in QLD which is hardcore to semi easy and a couple of trips down to Coomera in QLD I have to say after lifting my car it performed extremely well and very happy with the results.
With putting the x-trail struts on the front I ended up with round about a 35mm lift and not the 50mm I was expecting but all in all still happy with it and I am thinking maybe some 15mm to 20mm spacers on top of the strut to even out the level of the car after putting the mazda/ford front springs on the rear.
The car handles way better on the road and off -road. When it comes to the droop or drop of the front wheels I am getting more travel and there are no signs of them over stretching and making noises at this stage but it is still early days yet .
And yes the bottom pan on these things are 35mm higher than the iO's and I am running 225/75 A/t's and still have heaps of room to go larger if I want but not going to as I am happy with what is on there now.
I am also running Suzuki rims with a different offset which has given me a wider track on the car and has pulled the tyre away from the chassis so it doesn't"t rub so with the x-trail struts and the mazda/ford springs and the suzuki rims and 225/75 A/t's and don't forget the modified toyota nudge bar I have now got a Bitsumishi and not a Mitsubishi.
I have now taken away the rear muffler and put a straight thru pipe in so I can put a secondary fuel tank in and a 2nd battery installed under the floor at the rear to run all those other things off.
Working progress and it is taking time but happy with how it is all working out so far because I want to get it right the 1st time round and not have to start taking things out and moving them around at a later date.
Happy 4 wheeling guy's.
My main next thing to do is
My main next thing to do is the rear shocks so I get more travel on the diff and extend the rear brake lines so I don't rip the crap out of them and I understand on here somewhere it says that we can put Hilux shocks on the rear ?? Can some one tell me which ones ?
There is video of me doing one of the hardcore tracks at Ripley but it was taking on a i-phone and I did try to put it on here but I got a message that it was the wrong type of format and I don't know how to convert it so I can put it up on here. I will ask the brother-in-law and see if he knows as he is the one with the video.
Anyway I will take some pics of the work in progress if I remember and put them up on here.
Foredem, you are right about
Foredem, you are right about the droop and destroying the cv's but so far everthing seems fine but it is still early days and it is looking good and I am happy with how they are performing. If I do have any problems you guys will be the 1st to know as I don't want other people to do something that is going to be bad for their car.
I don't go off-road as much as some people do and what I have achieved so far I am happy with and don't think that I am pushing past the limits of the car but only time will tell.
The beauty of it all is that I can do all the work myself including wheel alignments and all the other stuff.
I wouldn't describe it as stupid ...
in fact, I think it's innovative.
I have been unable to get the KYB 334405 struts here - at one point the local KYB distributor had said he would bring them and after months of "to & fro"ing I gave up and bought OE replacements (KYB 334442) and fitted those, as the ones on the vehicle were long over due for replacement.
The XTrails are fairly common here and although I have not tried, it should be easier to get struts for those - my current search is for a source for the Mazda springs, which so far, has been, unsuccessful.
The wreckers that I went to
The wreckers that I went to didn't have the mazda springs so I took them from the ford laser which has the same model number, by memory I took them off a 1996 model.
You were right about the lift that a gained on the front, it wasn't 50mm but only 35mm so looking a the top spacers to even out the body height from front to rear. The front just looks a little low compared to the rear.
We never got that model of Mazda (or the Ford) here...
I was hoping to be able to identify a US market vehicle that used those springs - I'm willing to buy new replacements from someone like Moog, but a US source is preferable - if I have to source out of Australia or Europe, the cost with shipping skyrockets.
As an example, a pair of Moog springs for a Mazda will run me around USD$60, King springs in Australia will set me back AUD$135 (USD$100) with a further AUD$180 (USD$130) shipping, so grand total USD $230, and I still need to get them to Guyana - another USD$35.
Xtrail shocks
Hi Guys I recently did the xtrail rear shock in the front of the io. Just thought I'd share some info incase anyone else needs more info on it.
-I felt I needed 4mm spacers on the strut where it bolts to knuckle. (couldn't find 4mm thick so I spot welded 3mm and 1mm together and then spot welded onto the strut for maximum negative camber)
-Also I felt the need to use longer 12mm bolts for the strut mount (I had some longer ones which were off my cb lancer not sure if they were knuckle or control arm bolts but they did the trick)
-I used KMFS-900 (early type king springs) for maximum lift, which has gained me roughly 60-70mm lift. They were difficult to compress being so long.
-Next issue was the strut top itself, the xtrail strut shaft is a smaller diameter where the top hat bearing sits, so by simply putting the io top the bearing would be too loose.I couldn't find a suitable bearing with correct od and id, so my only option was a sleeve or custom camber tops. I didn't write down my measurements (sorry) but off the top off my head the sleeve was 20mm long with an od of 15mm and id of 12mm and with a small section (7mm) needing grinding flat so it fits in the spring plate.
-After this much lift the driver side cv angle was too extreme for my liking and there was too much positive camber from the lift. A diff drop was in order. 12mm was my choice which was made from solid flat bar which helped both my problems. I do think the camber bolts will still be needed to adjust the camber to 0. I think I'm going to use cb lancer camber bolts and hope they do the trick. Although I didn't drill a drain hole in my diff drop spacers as I forgot so I don't know if that will cause any issues also I have don't a gearbox drop to reduce the tailshaft angle. Not that there is much.
I think that is all. I do think that the pan on the xtrail is atleast 15mm higher than the high pan io strut as there's heaps more room for tyres. I measured 25mm but that might be due to my camber issues. Will update.
My measurements were done from guard to bottom lip off rim (I know not correct way but was easiest for me, 18" wheel)
-Height (passenger side) note driver side is few mm lower.
Factory: 690mm
Xtrail: 755mm
This is after a few weeks so they should be settled.
-Droop
Factory:755mm
Xtrail:810mm
So an extra 55mm off droop, so I made the 12mm spacers.
I think that is all. Hope this helps and most importantly a thankyou to KF65 for going to the effort to find these struts.
These are the pics of the
These are the pics of the spacer that goes on the top of the strut and spring holder and so far are performing as they should, like I said in the earlier posts it's a work in progress and myself and Nick iO have been in communication about this stuff and good work nick.
I am only running the standard springs on the front and I did try a 25mm spacer on top of strut but was too much and popped the drivers side cv out so removed it. Running the x-trail strut with the iO spring is working at the limit but the 50mm droop is fantastic in the bush. Like what Nick and others have done a diff drop might be in order and then put the spacer back in or go with the extended springs.
It is all a learning experirance for us all and all these little qweeks will get it right soon.
When I had the spacer on for the day I went to Glass House Mountains and the car was fantastic and better offroad so getting it right is going to make the iO a fantastic little car offroad.
Nick are you happy with the difference that the x-trail struts have made ?
That happened before I made
That happened before I made the spacers but since then it has been fine. I knew that there were going to be some little things to rectify and that was one of them and the camber which has also been fixed.
I was diving into the unknown with the x-trail struts and things were surely going to pop up that had to be looked at and they did and have been fixed so all is good now.
This is why I put the pics up to show because I wasn't going to hide any problems from you guys and wanted to be honest about any problems that did arise.
spacer
While this spacer is definitely needed, I don't think that it does make your car unsafe to drive in short term. it might get that way if you do not do it as it will give excessive wear to your smaller shaft but you should still be able to drive it for a little while. Racing around the block or crazy 4x4 or a trip to cross the Simpson desert are not advisable but going to the shop shouldn't put you at immediate danger.
This is more to make your mind a bit at ease, but it still remain your responsability....I could be wrong...ask my wife :)
Happy io
What do you consider a full suspension lift kit?
And how much lift are you looking for?
To the best of my knowledge, no one manufacturer offers a lift kit for this vehicle - you can get springs from King Springs, and I believe Dobinsons, but, I'm not aware of anyone offering any sort of extended (length or travel) shocks or struts for it - KYB struts & shocks are available, but those are essentially OE replacements, Monroe offers an adventure series shock for the rear, (the same length as OE), but nothing for the front.
You need to make some measurements in order to determine which front struts your particular vehicle is fitted with (see the strut data thread in this forum for more information) and then we may be able to point you in the correct direction.
It might also be a good idea to tell us where you are - it might be less expensive to go with certain combinations depending on your geographic location, and parts availability may also be a factor
spacer for sale
Does anyone have a supplier for the suspension spacers front and rear or a link to order from?
I have made and sold a few for the front, even sold some to Europe ! but I don't do the rear one.
http://pajerio.com/forum/pajero-io-lift-sale-spacer-and-spring-only
Happy io
diff / subframe drop?
I fitted the xtrail front struts with a 40mm spacer up top Did a subframe drop of 40mm Fitted Jeep Wrangler TJ rear coils with 1990 Hilux rear shocks And went to 15" Jeep style wheels with 31's. Combination works like a charm
Swyster have you got an photos and details of the subframe drop? Care to do a build thread of your rig or post?
Why did you put the front
Why did you put the front xtrail struts on ? the rear ones offer more travel.
I think i have had mine on now for 12mths and still going good, probably cause use better ones now as these were only a trial in the beginning anyway but has proven to be very good only problem is I can't use a spacer on them as they pop the drivers side cv's so i would need to do a diff drop.
Ironaman Coil Springs
Hello,
I am going to buy Ironman Coil Springs for my 2003 pajero io 2.0 GDI, I want to know if anyone has this coil springs?
And how tall tires do you use?
This is links to coil springs
ive actually been looking at
ive actually been looking at the iron man coils if you get them be sure to let us know how they go and id like to know if the springs for the front are 35mm higher then the newer moddle ios with the higher spring pan or the earlier ones (like mine) that have the lower spring pan but longer springs because if they are 35mm longer than the newer springs it would only resault in a 10mm lift compare to our stock springs. if that makes sence
Yes....
ive actually been looking at the iron man coils if you get them be sure to let us know how they go and id like to know if the springs for the front are 35mm higher then the newer moddle ios with the higher spring pan or the earlier ones (like mine) that have the lower spring pan but longer springs because if they are 35mm longer than the newer springs it would only resault in a 10mm lift compare to our stock springs. if that makes sence
A bit more explain, with different brand but the same idea.....
Happy io
If you use the low pan
If you use the low pan springs on the high pan struts you do get lift but not sure how much, But if you use the X-trail struts which are higher than the iO struts you get around 35-40mm lift without using any spacers on the top and get another 50mm more downward travel for when 4 wheel driving which is very handy for those deeper ruts.
I still would use the mazda 323/ford laser front springs on the rear instead of the king springs as the kings don't extend as much as the others and sound like they are coming out of the holders underneath and if you want extra travel in the rear then go for the toyota hilux shocks for an extra 65mm more.
Also just like to mention that on the rear you don't need to get longer brake lines, you just need to take them out of the last bracket b4 the rubber section of hose near the wheels. I did mine and also Simmo's and they are fine and don't stretch at all.
Greetings everyone! I decided
Greetings everyone!
I decided to try the X-Trail rear struts as well (Mapco 20526/20527) for a bit of lift and more travel. Had to use new bolts (strut to hub assembly: M12x70) and make some small spacers (OD 14mm, ID 12mm) as the holes in the X-Trails struts are 2mm larger. I used some heavy duty washers to take up the extra space on the sides. For the top of the strut I made the spacer described above, OD 15mm, ID 12mm to fit the lager strut bearing and top plate holes.
Measuring the fully extended struts, the X-Trail is 60mm longer than the stock one I took off the car. This puts the ball joint and the tie rod end at extreme angles (seems like the downward travel is now limited by the joints rather than the length of the strut) and this is a bit worrying.
As I don't want to drop the front frame, I am thinking to shorten the total length of the strut by somehow reducing the diameter of the top end to 15mm to fit inside the bearing and also get rid of the small spacer (the section marked in red, below). Any ideas how to achieve this without disassembling the shock?
Thanks,
Silviu
Syndicate
Hi, thanks for the info.
Hi, thanks for the info. Could you please confirm the following
- Parts Number: 65463L & 65462R
- does the Pinin require any other modifications to fit the Nissan suspension? Is it plug and play or you need any welding or manufacture of different joints?
- do you have some pictures with them assembled on the car?